Religion

[nart_21086]

If there was a god why is there tragedy everywhere?

To present that argument is to present the idea that you believe/think that in a world where God indeed exists, all is well and there are no such entities as right and wrong. How would life be then? How could we feel pleasure without pain. Would we even exist? If one wishes for something, one must first know what they wish for.

The preceding was written out of analytical insanity.

[jagorrax]

Furdabip...

Your post made my day, thank you =D

Subscribe to ZJemptv, then. He makes my day everytme he posts a new video. ^_^

You also saved me a long essay. Thank you.

[697134002]

Furdabip...

Your post made my day, thank you =D

Subscribe to ZJemptv, then. He makes my day everytme he posts a new video. ^_^

You also saved me a long essay. Thank you.

I was thinking of a way to word it that wasn't too offensive. Furd saved me, too. I could not think of a way to disprove that without coming off rude.

[Sir_Luke]

From the day I learned how to talk, it was always stuffed into my brain that God existed, and if I did anything bad, God would send me to hell where I would burn for the rest of eternity. I came from a catholic family, and went to a Christian school for the most part of my life(with a heavy emphasis on Christian) I believe that somewhere out there there is a God, but what I don't believe is the religious ways that human developed. I once asked a saint why they couldn't marry, if God wanted us to love each other. His response was a nice slap to my face with some book(Most likely the Bible) I still believed in God, because incredible things have happened to me. I was supposed to die from pneumonia at age 3, I have been almost run over so many times, that I have lost count, and I have been in really messed up situations. Maybe it was just cag, but I believe that maybe it was God watching over me. Now again, if there really was a God, why do people have to die? And according to most religions, why is it that if I say anything against God, I will be sent to hell? Why is it that saints, and priests in Italy are molesting little boys and girls, and yet still tell me that because I got into an argument with my sister, or ran away from my house with out permission for a couple hours, that I, and not them will go to hell. My point is: I believe there is a God, I just don't believe in the lies that we call "religions."
Just thought I'd give in my two cents since the server was also down.

That's why I believe Catholicism is a cake (lie).

[random980]

In my OP:
Religion can be to hypocritical to make sense, i believe in simple logic.
dont some biblical stories say that certain people lived to be well over the 120 mark? I dont mean to offend but even now with modern science/medicine thats almost impossible to achieve, so how is it possible that thousands of years ago they managed to live that long? With sciences 'big bang theory'. What made the laws that atoms follow? Is it possible that a 'god' wrote these laws of science?

and a few more questions. Whats everyones thoughts on Judaism? and how does the bible see Judaism? and wasnt Jesus Jewish? And what does the bible say about equal rights towards blacks, gays and women?

[aflycon]

In my OP:
Religion can be to hypocritical to make sense, i believe in simple logic.
dont some biblical stories say that certain people lived to be well over the 120 mark? I dont mean to offend but even now with modern science/medicine thats almost impossible to achieve, so how is it possible that thousands of years ago they managed to live that long? With sciences 'big bang theory'. What made the laws that atoms follow? Is it possible that a 'god' wrote these laws of science?

and a few more questions. Whats everyones thoughts on Judaism? and how does the bible see Judaism? and wasnt Jesus Jewish? And what does the bible say about equal rights towards blacks, gays and women?

Without any diseases or other real means of dying, it would be easy to live that long if you kept in good health. In a world with no pollutants? Think about it. And according to the Christian Bible, after Adam and Eve violated God's rules in the Garden of Eden, they were expelled and that's when the shit hit the fan. :3 So basically, it's not so crazy to live that long in that time period.

Edit: I know this because I spent seven years among hardcore Christians. I still don't believe in God, but that logic makes sense.

[random980]

In my OP:
Religion can be to hypocritical to make sense, i believe in simple logic.
dont some biblical stories say that certain people lived to be well over the 120 mark? I dont mean to offend but even now with modern science/medicine thats almost impossible to achieve, so how is it possible that thousands of years ago they managed to live that long? With sciences 'big bang theory'. What made the laws that atoms follow? Is it possible that a 'god' wrote these laws of science?

and a few more questions. Whats everyones thoughts on Judaism? and how does the bible see Judaism? and wasnt Jesus Jewish? And what does the bible say about equal rights towards blacks, gays and women?

Without any diseases or other real means of dying, it would be easy to live that long if you kept in good health. In a world with no pollutants? Think about it. And according to the Christian Bible, after Adam and Eve violated God's rules in the Garden of Eden, they were expelled and that's when the shit hit the fan. :3 So basically, it's not so crazy to live that long in that time period.

Edit: I know this because I spent seven years among hardcore Christians. I still don't believe in God, but that logic makes sense.

even without pollution, they still wouldnt have had the knowledge of modern health and medicine, simple cuts and diseases back then had i fare rate of causing death as all they had were natural medicines. Not even Olympic standard athletes live to be over 120, and they base their lives on being healthy. Also Adam and Eve is an impossible story as their children would have been forced to in-breed. (also a talking snake? really?)
and no, their logic doesnt make much sense at all, they have left out to many factors.

[aflycon]

In my OP:
Religion can be to hypocritical to make sense, i believe in simple logic.
dont some biblical stories say that certain people lived to be well over the 120 mark? I dont mean to offend but even now with modern science/medicine thats almost impossible to achieve, so how is it possible that thousands of years ago they managed to live that long? With sciences 'big bang theory'. What made the laws that atoms follow? Is it possible that a 'god' wrote these laws of science?

and a few more questions. Whats everyones thoughts on Judaism? and how does the bible see Judaism? and wasnt Jesus Jewish? And what does the bible say about equal rights towards blacks, gays and women?

Without any diseases or other real means of dying, it would be easy to live that long if you kept in good health. In a world with no pollutants? Think about it. And according to the Christian Bible, after Adam and Eve violated God's rules in the Garden of Eden, they were expelled and that's when the shit hit the fan. :3 So basically, it's not so crazy to live that long in that time period.

Edit: I know this because I spent seven years among hardcore Christians. I still don't believe in God, but that logic makes sense.

even without pollution, they still wouldnt have had the knowledge of modern health and medicine, simple cuts and diseases back then had i fare rate of causing death as all they had were natural medicines. Not even Olympic standard athletes live to be over 120, and they base their lives on being healthy. Also Adam and Eve is an impossible story as their children would have been forced to in-breed. (also a talking snake? really?)
and no, their logic doesnt make much sense at all, they have left out to many factors.

According to the Bible they couldn't leave the Garden of Eden until they were banished, and that was described as a Heaven on Earth. So unless they tripped and sliced their arm open on a rock, there's really not much that could happen. But you did put a hole in my story with the inbreeding thing, that wouldn't work. But it would be sensible to live an amount of time that doesn't seem plausible now.

[Sti_Jo_Lew]

Untill there is tangable evidence that convinces me there is a God, I'll remain an Aethiest (or however you spell that). Religion in general just doesn't make sense to me. I believe people should make their own purpose and morals in life.

[Wildwill002]

I am thinking of joining a religion which has been dead in years although the more i find out the more i wish to believe. It is the Titan Mother Gaia that i have chosen so i may soon stop being atheist

[random980]

A good floor to point out.
Incest is a 'sin', yet Adam and Eve's children would have been forced to do it.
This also applies with Noah's ark. 2 of every animal = off-spring in-breeding. Also they didnt save the unicorns or dragons.
Someone try to give me a convincing bible story (with some detail) and ill try to find holes in the story for you.
Religion should be a way of enlightenment, not a way of life you shove down everyone else's throats and calling all non-believers evil/hell worthy.
Also in medieval times there was no pollution, yet people didnt live over 80 due to diseases and lack of medication. If life expectancy has increased over decades how could have it been so high in 'biblical' times?

[Wildwill002]

A good floor to point out.
Incest is a 'sin', yet Adam and Eve's children would have been forced to do it.
This also applies with Noah's ark. 2 of every animal = off-spring in-breeding. Also they didnt save the unicorns or dragons.
Someone try to give me a convincing bible story (with some detail) and ill try to find holes in the story for you.
Religion should be a way of enlightenment, not a way of life you shove down everyone else's throats and calling all non-believers evil/hell worthy.
Also in medieval times there was no pollution, yet people didnt live over 80 due to diseases and lack of medication. If life expectancy has increased over decades how could have it been so high in 'biblical' times?

Another point: God supposedly made plants BEFORE the sun and moon... IMPOSSIBRU!

[Lord_Mountbatten]

Another point: God supposedly made plants BEFORE the sun and moon... IMPOSSIBRU!

...no He didn't.

[Jake55778]

If God was able to to create 70 sextillion* stars all in one day, why'd it take him almost a week to make the Earth?


* That's a seventy with twenty-one zeros on the end: 70,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Also:

[nart_21086]

please follow rules of chronology and context when attempting to bash religion.

[SneakyPie]

I'm not one to get involved in the lot of these kind of threads, but when ignorance is spoken about things that aren't understood, I try to set things right.

The problem with these kind of threads is that everyone will saying what they "know" about the Bible without any research (I doubt many here have actually read it to any depth) and don't understand the context and history as to how it's written. All they do is reiterate things they have heard from other people and automatically believe it to be true. It's fine if you think I'm wrong, but if you're going to argue against something then at least do some research.

A good floor to point out.
Incest is a 'sin', yet Adam and Eve's children would have been forced to do it.
This also applies with Noah's ark. 2 of every animal = off-spring in-breeding. Also they didnt save the unicorns or dragons.
Someone try to give me a convincing bible story (with some detail) and ill try to find holes in the story for you.
Religion should be a way of enlightenment, not a way of life you shove down everyone else's throats and calling all non-believers evil/hell worthy.
Also in medieval times there was no pollution, yet people didnt live over 80 due to diseases and lack of medication. If life expectancy has increased over decades how could have it been so high in 'biblical' times?

God does not come and out say an incestual relationship is forbidden until the time of Moses in Leviticus 18:7-17; 20:11,12,14,17,20,21. Until that time it was not a sin. Sure, it's weird to think about it being okay for those kind of sexual relationships, but if the world was populated from only two people, that's how it works.

If you try and think from their perspective and them being the only human beings on the planet, there's no way they would find it odd or strange, but just the way things were.

[Blackadder51]

A good floor to point out.
Incest is a 'sin', yet Adam and Eve's children would have been forced to do it.
This also applies with Noah's ark. 2 of every animal = off-spring in-breeding. Also they didnt save the unicorns or dragons.
Someone try to give me a convincing bible story (with some detail) and ill try to find holes in the story for you.
Religion should be a way of enlightenment, not a way of life you shove down everyone else's throats and calling all non-believers evil/hell worthy.
Also in medieval times there was no pollution, yet people didnt live over 80 due to diseases and lack of medication. If life expectancy has increased over decades how could have it been so high in 'biblical' times?

As with most tales, certain facts have been altered over the passage, I do believe that a certain amount of discretion must be used when reading them.

[Skunk_Giant]

Here's my thought on it all. I'm Muslim, but not a strict one... In fact, I have varying beliefs, so I'm still working it out.

Anyway, I believe that for the most part, science and religion can live together.
I do believe that there was a big bang, but I fail to see how this is an argument against God. I was having a nice long discussion with a friend of mine today regarding the creation of the universe and the possibility of a divine being creating it. In the end, we decided to agree to disagree.
Yes, if there was a big bang, then no, God didn't directly create Earth. However, I fail to see how that proves God is non-existent. What caused the big bang?
Scientists explain that the Big Bang was caused by gases, but how did these gases come into being, and more so, did they exist for a while before the Big Bang, and if so, how did they suddenly cause it?
For effect, there must be a cause, and the Big Bang is no different. I find it too coincidental that gases somehow created a Universe where planets revolve around the sun, where life exists, where matter fits? Where were these gases before the universe was created?
But to the most obvious and important question, who created the gases in the first place?

If an atheist can explain that last question to me, then I'll be quite surprised.

Also, just to note, I don't wanna start any flame wars... :S

[random980]

Here's my thought on it all. I'm Muslim, but not a strict one... In fact, I have varying beliefs, so I'm still working it out.

Anyway, I believe that for the most part, science and religion can live together.
I do believe that there was a big bang, but I fail to see how this is an argument against God. I was having a nice long discussion with a friend of mine today regarding the creation of the universe and the possibility of a divine being creating it. In the end, we decided to agree to disagree.
Yes, if there was a big bang, then no, God didn't directly create Earth. However, I fail to see how that proves God is non-existent. What caused the big bang?
Scientists explain that the Big Bang was caused by gases, but how did these gases come into being, and more so, did they exist for a while before the Big Bang, and if so, how did they suddenly cause it?
For effect, there must be a cause, and the Big Bang is no different. I find it too coincidental that gases somehow created a Universe where planets revolve around the sun, where life exists, where matter fits? Where were these gases before the universe was created?
But to the most obvious and important question, who created the gases in the first place?

If an atheist can explain that last question to me, then I'll be quite surprised.

Also, just to note, I don't wanna start any flame wars... :S

Gasses didnt start the big-bang. Once there was nothing, then atoms/molecules appeared. that reacted with something/each other, and caused a behemoth explosion which created all the periodic elements which created everything else. HOW and WHY the atoms appeared, made the elements and the laws atoms follow is still being discovered by scientists. I dont recall anyone saying the big bang disproves god, but it does disprove god making the world.
You ask. "what made the thing that made the Big Bang"
I respond. "What made god and what gave him powers"
Answer. Possibly the same thing, until one is proved and the other disproved.
Some people also say that god made the laws the atoms follow which in turn would have caused the big bang. This still runs into the question what made god. Everything we know and believe in can be changed once we know what SINGLE thing created everything and what made that single thing, and what made that, and then that. The problem is, the answer is a paradox.

My theory. Something will invent time travel. travel back to when the big bang appears. then accidentally cause the big bang themselves. After all this theory is as believable as any other, being god, or the Big Bang.
thank you for reading this wall of text

[Lord_Mountbatten]

I respond. "What made god and what gave him powers"

Hi there!

[697134002]

I respond. "What made god and what gave him powers"

Hi there!

So you created Equestria?!

[random980]

I respond. "What made god and what gave him powers"

Hi there!

LAWL

but err, what made you then!?

[Skunk_Giant]

Well yeah, that's how our debate ended out. Both possibilities of God or no God are equally possible.

[Jesus Christ]

Hi guys.

What's going on in this thread?

[697134002]

Hi guys.

What's going on in this thread?

We're debating your Dad's existence, and, by assocation, your own.

[Jman_503]

Hi guys.

What's going on in this thread?

We're debating your Dad's existence, and, by assocation, your own.

You sir are hilarious

[sag185]

Personally im an atheist, but the fact that this "God" Has influenced so many peoples lives for better or for worse must mean He is SOMETHING... maybe not in reality but existing in peoples hearts and minds... i think any force for good even if it is just a mind set has to have some sort of existence, even if it isn't a material one.

[arogon343]

Well i am a man of science in fact with my plans as a genetic scientist i think many religous believers would object to views. In fact i was called an abomination who wants to play god on one forum. Silly people.
but still im a firm believer in science. However, im do think that if not imposed on people and not taken word for word or literaly then it can teach good morals and help make a functioning society that is based on eqaulity and kindness.
See, i can be smarticle.

[vallorn]

heh. they dont hate Physicists as much (well until we tamper with the fabric of reality )

[nart_21086]

Just to ask, does any one here just not care??
(because nart doesn't give two blox of gravel)